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goldengrain
01-18-2009, 08:35 PM
Hi! I am new to this forum and have a problem concerning my little fellow, Zeus, a black male Oriental Short Hair.

We have worked and saved all our lives, foregoing vacation traveling during this time. I am now retired and my husband is soon to be. We plan on selling our house and moving to an apartment in New York City for a year or so. It will be about 1500 sq ft.

During our time there we would like to travel out of the country. We are getting literature from various tour and cruise companies, and would like to take packages that would remove us from the house for a week to a month or more. The Smithsonian has some really enticing tours and there are riverboats in Europe who play live music onboard while passing by lovely scenery.

We are dreaming.

But - we don't think we'll be able to do these things. Our cat is about 11 years old. He is very clingy (which we don't mind at all) and sometimes gets upset if we both leave the house together on shopping expeditions. He sometimes (not very often)throws up on the carpeting when we are gone.

He is still playful and active and very bright and actually considerate. He rarely has to be told not to do something twice - well, until some time has passed. He is good tempered, never throws fits or sulks (except when we leave). Still likes to play.

We love him dearly and our first loyalty, after each other, is to him. He is part of our family.
We think of him more like a special needs person. I have found, as have others,that if you treat an animal as a human they often start behaving as a human, meaning more cooperative, considerate, etc.

We don't know how we could handle being away if we thought he were at home pining for us, perhaps thinking that we have gone forever.

We would get a cat sitter, but only to peek in once a day to change the litter and food and water.

We are wondering whether we can ever go on vacation until the poor darling passes. That doesn't seem right. By that time we will probably be too old to travel.

How can we go on vacations and know he is happy?
We could get a second cat, maybe.
He would hate it initially(perhaps - years back we allowed him in the backyard and he accepted other cats there), but another cat is someone to keep him company if we leave.

A female kitten would be best, we think.
We were looking at a female Singapura(sites differ on the mental characteristics of this breed, though and we want a smart and active cat), Abyssinian, Siamese, or another Oriental. Maybe a Devon or Cornish Rex(but these must be shampooed once a week sometimes). It would have to be a cat like him, that stays smart and active way into old age and in a purebred cat you have some assurance of mental characteristics.

It would be hard for us to avoid giving too much attention to a new kitten, but there ARE two of us.
Our guy would have to be shown, over and over again, that he is top cat in the house.

We don't know anyone who we could leave him with, and besides, he would probably prefer being home where he is accustomed to everything.

We are thinking that he might not like a second cat, but it would be company and stop his brooding if we were to go. The kitten would probably adapt to the situation.

Although Abyssinians are more assertive, they are not lap cats and our guy has become very cuddly with age, so there would not be competition for a warm lap, perhaps? They are not as vocal as a Siamese, either.

We were thinking a kitten would be happy to share human attention with just one cat than many, from the breeder that we got her from.

Is there any way around this problem? We will stay home if it is best for our little Zeus.

If you have any suggestions or experience in this area we would very much appreciate it. We are wondering that, if we get a kitten and Zeus objects strongly, if they will take the kitten back. We are sort of thinking we will just not be able to go anywhere except on day trips.

Thank you for reading this. I know it would sound silly to a non-cat person.

**Sapphire**
01-19-2009, 12:43 AM
Welcome to Fat Cat goldengrain, I'm glad that you joined us. :)

I'm thinking a second cat & a kitten might be a good idea for Zeus. That way when you 2 decide to travel he will have another companion for when the cat sitter can't be there, he won't be alone.

Get the kitten soon that way they can have some time to get to know each other before you 2 decide to leave.

goldengrain
01-19-2009, 02:57 PM
Thank you.

I have asked other people, and it seems that the preponderance of thought is against this idea, but we think you are right.

I don't think we could get a live in person, and if we did get someone they might be out all the time sightseeing. Their habits could be very different than the routine he is used to.

I cannot see him waking up and going to sleep all alone in an empty apartment, feeling abandoned. He would feel that way if someone just stepped in once a day to clean litter and set down water and food.

A female kitten would keep his mind occupied and be another warm body all day - someone to think about and play with.

So we are very much feeling the way you do.
We are not sure of anything, but we were sitting here this morning, trying to think the way he would about the situation and we think a little friend is the way to go.

Thanks.

**Sapphire**
05-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Was wondering goldengrain if you both have decided to get a friend for your kitty.

Runsnwalken
07-01-2009, 04:16 AM
I think the best thing to do is try to change his enviornment as little as possible. Cat's hate change. Buying that kitten my crush your dreams, I think you should just wait it out. you could easily be looking at another 10+ years with him, why add on more with another cat. :nono:

Cats have been known to live over 30, this is very rare, but 20's is entirely possible :rolleyes:


I hate to tell you this but to our society a cat is property, little more then a chair, many Apartments require cruel things to be done to cats in order to have one even LIVE with you, your better off just waiting until the cat passes, or giving him up for adoption.:(

**Sapphire**
07-01-2009, 03:15 PM
I think the best thing to do is try to change his enviornment as little as possible. Cat's hate change. Buying that kitten my crush your dreams, I think you should just wait it out. you could easily be looking at another 10+ years with him, why add on more with another cat. :nono:

Cats have been known to live over 30, this is very rare, but 20's is entirely possible :rolleyes:


I hate to tell you this but to our society a cat is property, little more then a chair, many Apartments require cruel things to be done to cats in order to have one even LIVE with you, your better off just waiting until the cat passes, or giving him up for adoption.:(

I have NEVER heard of any apartment owners wanting a cat/pet owner to do something cruel to their pet before they can have the apartment. Furthermore if an apartment owner DID want something cruel done, the pet owner has a right to tell them to shove it & look for another apartment.

Do you honestly think it was right to tell goldengrain that she's better off waiting for her cat she's had 11 years to pass or give it up for adoption?? I mean seriously here, are you a cat owner? Don't you think that's pretty cruel to tell someone that has their cat 11 YEARS to wait for it to pass or give it up for adoption?? Would you do that to your cats, IF you really have any cats? I've warned you 2 times now to stop your negative thoughts on my members threads here, this is your last warning Runsnwalken, I'm serious here, your thinking in regards to people taking care of cats is very extreme & I've about had it with reading your negative thoughts on EVERY thread that is posted here.

Runsnwalken
07-01-2009, 11:42 PM
I'm just saying its NOT a good/wise idea to move into an apartment with an 11 year old cat, without giving it some serious fore- thought.


Many landlords require de clawing or de meowing done on the cat, or they make you put down large amounts of money,should the cat do something. its not negative thought at all, its realistic. Some breeds of cats, like Somalis, are ill suited to small spaces too.


I wont be moving with my cats because I have heard many awful stories of cats in group homes. They seem view cats as things, an inconvenience, not as living feeling beings, We had someone at work receive a cat bite on her arm, and the cat is clearly unhappy, cannot even jump normally and has been outdoors with a wounded back paw, /bad for everyone. Parents will take them,so even if they did move into apartment themselves, mom has a bamidji home, out in the country,where we'd put the cats to keep them safe from such issues.

PureMuttz
08-11-2009, 11:43 PM
Ok, I have seen some apartment complexes require cats to be declawed, but you know what?

As a cat owner, you just cross those off your ''potential places to live'' list and continue your search.

I've never seen any place require de-meowing (nor have I heard the term before.)

The cat will adjust fine to moving into an apartment. Many cats adjust every day to new situations (think of all the shelter cats that suddenly get adopted in to a home, or those who go from a home to a cage at a shelter...they don't have a choice but to adjust for their own mental well-being!)

Giving the cat up is a ridiculous suggestion, especially at 11 years old. They obviously love their cat, but they just want to have some fun in their retirement. Nothing wrong with that.

A kitten might be a great addition to the household, but it may not. I would see if you can foster a kitten from a local shelter that way you can opt to adopt the little furball if everything works out nicely.

Another option would be another older adult cat. That way the energy levels are about the same, and while a kitten may drive your older cat up the wall, another older cat may make for a more peaceful household (and you'll get a ton of thumbs up for adopting a senior cat!)

goldengrain
08-14-2009, 05:10 AM
Hi,

I somehow missed the emails regarding this discussion.

People should know that we would check in advance the requirements to have a pet in any building we might move into.

In fact, we found one and are on a list for an apartment. It is in the city and populated by mostly retired people either with cats or no pets. The people their are supposed to be friendly and go on group trips.

We will wing it with Zeus. If we meet people and he gets along well with them and their cat and they are willing, fine. There is also a local cat shelter and we have liked the folks we have met there. They are always trying to think of ways to raise money, so for a nice contribution they would probably pet sit if they are nearby. They dearly love their animals, offer some at a pet shop where my husband goes practically weekly and donates.

Whatever happens, we will let Zeus decide, and that will be after a place opens up for us and he settles in. The place we want is across the street from a park and has a courtyard where tenants go with their cats.

I think we can only plan so far when there are so many variables. We would NEVER declaw a cat or take away a voice. Now, if they could implant human-like vocal chords in a cat we might think about it because our little guy certainly understands some words and who knows how a cat's mind would open up if he had the additional stimulation of actually speaking to us.

**Sapphire**
08-14-2009, 02:56 PM
Oh how I would love to hear my 3 babies talk. Then again sometimes when they have attitude I'm lucky I don't. :D

It sounds like you have it all figured out in the best way goldengrain hun. :)

goldengrain
08-14-2009, 04:44 PM
Oh how I would love to hear my 3 babies talk. Then again sometimes when they have attitude I'm lucky I don't. :D

It sounds like you have it all figured out in the best way goldengrain hun. :)

Thank you for being so kind and supportive, Sapphire.

The vocal chord thing - well, when I worked a woman came in with her camcorder on which she showed a starling that talked and sounded just like her. Wild birds are often illegal to keep as pets, but this one had been wounded and could not have survived 'out there'.

The woman did volunteer work for a raptor society which nursed and took in wounded birds. When she spoke to their vet he said that most (all?) 'corvids' (crows, ravens, blackbirds, starlings, bluejays) have vocal chords that are very similar to those of people and they are very intelligent birds.

At one time in the US this was generally known and some people kept them as pets. A humane group had that made illegal because it was unfair to the birds. That law is still in effect. - well, this is the information I was given, I don't know how true it is, but it sounds right to me.

Then, I remember reading that somewhere human vocal chords were successfully transplanted. I remember Dr Oz on Oprah showing how we are growing human organs with stem cells.

It is not too much of a stretch to think that some day in the future something like this could be done with pets. I don't know, it sounds so strange. Would our pets be better for it? I kind of think so. It would expand their intelligence.

Could you see a dog at the open window yelling to the letter carrier 'Go away you nasty person, or I'll bite you!'

Cats would come running up and demand that their kitty litter be cleaned.

They could tell us if they did not feel well and where it hurt.