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**Sapphire**
01-27-2009, 07:06 PM
BELLFLOWER, Calif. — The octuplets born to a mother in Southern California are doing "very, very well" and breathing on their own, one of their doctors said Tuesday.

Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neonatologist at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center, told ABC's "Good Morning America" the eight babies were in stable condition.

Two of the newborns — the second live octuplets born in U.S. history — were initially put on ventilators, but their breathing tubes have been removed.e.


"Only three babies need some sort of oxygen through the nose right now but they are breathing on their own," Gupta said. "The babies are doing actually very, very well."

The mother, who was not identified, gave birth Monday to the six boys and two girls weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces, and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. The eighth baby was a surprise to the parents and doctors who had been expecting only seven children.

"It is quite easy to miss a baby when you're anticipating seven," said Dr. Harold Henry, chief of maternal and fetal medicine and one of 46 doctors, nurses and assistants who delivered the children by Caesarean section.

Just five minutes after the first birth, the unexpected eighth baby came out at 10:48 a.m. "My eyes were wide," said Dr. Karen Maples, chief of the department of obstetrics and gynecology.

Maples said the mother was "very comfortable now. She is currently stable and we're observing her. She's also very excited about the health of her babies and she's extremely happy."

Doctors said they repeatedly conducted practice sessions in anticipation of the deliveries and were well prepared. Maples credited that with the ability to handle the unexpected eighth baby. "It was wonderful just knowing that our teamwork paid off," she said.

The babies — dubbed with the letters A-through-H — will probably remain in the hospital for at least two months and the mother should be released in a week, said Maples. The most encouraging news was that the smallest — Baby E, a boy weighing just 1 pound, 8 ounces — no longer needed a ventilator. Gupta described him as "very feisty" on Tuesday.

The doctors cautioned that there is still the possibility that one or more of the octuplets may need a breathing tube again, and more dangers await when they begin feeding.

The mother checked into the hospital in her 23rd week of pregnancy and gave birth to the premature babies seven weeks later. Gupta said the woman was given spinal anesthesia and could hear the babies as they came out.

The world's first live octuplets were born in March 1967 in Mexico City, but all died within 14 hours, according to Encyclopedia Britannica.

The United States' first live octuplets were born in Houston in 1998, three months premature. The tiniest died a week after the birth. The surviving siblings turned 10 in December.

Their parents, Nkem Chukwu and Iyke Louis Udobi, told The Associated Press that they were delighted to hear another mother managed the same feat.

"It's a blessing, truly a blessing," Chukwu said. "We'll keep praying for them."

Dr. Richard Paulson, director of the fertility program at the University of Southern California, said the latest births likely resulted from the use of fertility drugs. Hospital officials would not say whether the mother had used such aids.

Paulson said the children could face serious health risks, including breathing problems and neurological damage. The mother also has an increased risk of hemorrhage, Paulson said.

"It's a risky decision to try to have all eight babies," said Paulson, who had no role in the delivery. "I would not recommend it under any circumstances, but I respect a parent's decision."

The Bellflower medical center, located about 17 miles southeast of Los Angeles, has an advanced neonatal unit. The most infants previously delivered at the hospital was five, the Los Angeles Times said.

The birth took a lot out of more than just the mother. Maples, who helped deliver the brood, said that when she got home: "I was humbled, I was exhausted and I took a nap."

goldengrain
02-05-2009, 01:05 AM
She has 6 kids and then elects to have 8 more?

I heard her mom and dad sold their house to help her with the 6.
Most people think we'll be footing the bill for this little hobby of hers.

Don't we have a spay and neuter program for such people?

**Sapphire**
02-05-2009, 02:52 PM
LOL...goldengrain I really do wish that we did have something like that for humans.

Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed. I agree I think she's just trying to scam people to get money & funds set up for all her kids etc..

goldengrain
02-05-2009, 06:16 PM
I don't know what she's after - a bidding war for interviews? A book and movie deal? She may simply be mentally unbalanced.
I think somewhere there is a line having to do with time to properly rear a child and also to afford it as well as some modicum of mental ability. Over that line the likelihood of the child being damaged by the environment the mom has given it goes way up.
I don't know where to draw the line, but I think this lady is over it.

As a society, do we intervene? What is the criteria? How do we intervene?

Nobody wants a 'Big Brother' society, but we stick to that ideal at the expense of the ruined lives of some, if not most, of these children - and, perhaps their kids, etc.

tenpa
02-08-2009, 05:05 AM
I think this woman is crazy.I heard her say she is studying for a masters degree in counselling, its true Oh my god,what good counsel this wise owl would give? i honestly believe there are so many needy children in this world already that its sinful to bring in 8 more when you have six already.But, what to do? we can't become nazis, its very complicated..

**Sapphire**
02-08-2009, 04:16 PM
I agree tenpa.

I've also heard that because she was an only child she wanted a big family. How can you give so many children the attention they need when your a single mother & you have a ton of kids? :dunno:

goldengrain
02-09-2009, 12:57 AM
I think this woman is crazy.I heard her say she is studying for a masters degree in counselling, its true Oh my god,what good counsel this wise owl would give? i honestly believe there are so many needy children in this world already that its sinful to bring in 8 more when you have six already.But, what to do? we can't become nazis, its very complicated..

I agree, we cannot turn into something we dislike because of the odd nut here and there. I just think, because of her dysfunction there is a good chance those kids will be damaged and they will have families and their kids may be also problematic.

This sometimes happens in families because nobody 'catches' young kids, in school or such, to give them some sort of therapy, so families just perpetrate bad behavior down the line.

Then again, the profession entered into by the greatest numbers of troubled kids is psychology - probably to heal themselves.

I think somehow we should intervene in such cases and that can be justified if the taxpayer ends up supplementing the mom's income to rear them.

**Sapphire**
02-12-2009, 02:15 PM
(I figured this was coming...I feel for the taxpayers of California! I also heard on the news earlier today that the mom has a website set up so that people can donate money. I can't say I didn't see that coming either, what a scam artist, I really hope nobody donates. She's getting more than enough from the state of California taxpayers. )


LOS ANGELES — A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red.

Even before the 33-year-old single, unemployed mother gave birth to octuplets last month, she had been caring for her six other children with the help of $490 a month in food stamps, plus Social Security disability payments for three of the youngsters. The public aid will almost certainly be increased with the new additions to her family.

Also, the hospital where the octuplets are expected to spend seven to 12 weeks has requested reimbursement from Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, for care of the premature babies, according to the Los Angeles Times. The cost has not been disclosed.

Word of the public assistance has stoked the furor over Suleman's decision to have so many children by having embryos implanted in her womb.

"It appears that, in the case of the Suleman family, raising 14 children takes not simply a village but the combined resources of the county, state and federal governments," Los Angeles Times columnist Tim Rutten wrote in Wednesday's paper. He called Suleman's story "grotesque."

On the Internet, bloggers rained insults on Suleman, calling her an "idiot," criticizing her decision to have more children when she couldn't afford the ones she had and suggesting she be sterilized.

"It's my opinion that a woman's right to reproduce should be limited to a number which the parents can pay for," Charles Murray wrote in a letter to the Los Angeles Daily News. "Why should my wife and I, as taxpayers, pay child support for 14 Suleman kids?"

She was also berated on talk radio, where listeners accused her of manipulating the system and being an irresponsible mother.

"From the outside you can tell that this woman was playing the system," host Bryan Suits said on the "Kennedy and Suits" show on KFI-AM. "You're damn right the state should step in and seize the kids and adopt them out."

Suleman's spokesman, Mike Furtney, urged understanding.

"I would just ask people to consider her situation and she has been under a tremendous amount of pressure that no one could be prepared for," Furtney said.

Furtney said he, Suleman and her family had received death threats and had been getting messages that were "disgusting things that would never be proper to put in any story."

In her only media interviews, Suleman told NBC's "Today" she doesn't consider the public assistance she receives to be welfare and doesn't intend to remain on it for long.

Also, a Nadya Suleman Family Web Site has been set up to collect donations for the children. It features pictures of the mother and each octuplet and has instructions for making donations by check or credit card.

Suleman, whose six older children range in age from 2 to 7, said three of them receive disability payments. She told NBC one is autistic, another has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, known as ADHD, and a third experienced a mild speech delay with "tiny characteristics of autism." She refused to say how much they get in payments.

In California, a low-income family can receive Social Security payments of up to $793 a month for each disabled child. Three children would amount to $2,379.

The Suleman octuplets' medical costs have not been disclosed, but in 2006, the average cost for a premature baby's hospital stay in California was $164,273, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Eight times that equals $1.3 million.

For a single mother, the cost of raising 14 children through age 17 ranges from $1.3 million to $2.7 million, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is struggling to close a $42 billion budget gap by cutting services, declined through a spokesman to comment on the taxpayer costs associated with the octuplets' delivery and care.

State Sen. Sam Aanestad, R-Grass Valley, an oral surgeon who sits on the Health Committee, said that once a state Medical Board investigation is complete, lawmakers could review issues from government oversight to standards in fertility treatment.

Suleman received disability payments for an on-the-job back injury during a riot at a state mental hospital, collecting more than $165,000 over nearly a decade before the benefits were discontinued last year.

Some of the disability money was spent on in vitro fertilizations, which was used for all 14 of her children, Suleman said. She said she also worked double shifts at the mental hospital and saved up for the treatments. She estimated that all her treatments cost $100,000.

Fourteen states, including California, require insurance companies to offer or provide coverage for infertility treatment, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. But California has a law specifically excluding in vitro coverage. It's not clear what type of coverage Suleman has.

In the NBC interview, Suleman said she will go back to California State University, Fullerton in the fall to complete her master's degree in counseling, and will use student loans to support her children. She already owes $50,000 in student loans, she told NBC. She said she will rely on the school's daycare center and volunteers.

goldengrain
02-12-2009, 03:43 PM
Yes. Talk about knowing how to play the system.
She probably saw the public sympathy given to other multiple birth families and thought she'd get in on the action.
When her original 6 did not do that, she manufactured another 8.

Some people are saying they saw an interview with her mom, who is disgusted. Supposedly she is allowing her mom to pay for the kids and she got a hundred thou for something and never told her mom.

People are commenting about getting a nose job and her lips are more pronounced and having her nails done professionally. They say she is trying to look like Jolie.

Unlike the other multiple birth folks, she is getting no offers from manufacturers for free diapers, food, etc. Nobody wants their product associated with her because the public dislikes her so much.

She is getting a lot of negative comments on the website. She asks for email addresses. Maybe she will do a mass mailing to tell us how well the kids are doing and to ask for more money.

Meanwhile, there is talk that she is not living in the same house as the kids and her mom.

It is not a doctor's job to pronounce an arbitrary judgement about these things. When the doc saw she was having eight he suggested she get rid of a few but she would not have that. If he had aborted some, lawsuit city.

The truth is, we need a law of some sort and the issue is a hot potato. How many kids is enough? How much money and living conditions are the minimum? Very tricky questions. So the media seems to be trying to shift the blame onto the doctor.

I think, in my world, she would be declared unfit and sterilized. The kids should be taken away. She should be given intensive treatments about our responsibility to others and when she gets income every cent she gets over and above subsistence level should be taken by the state for the support of all the kids.

That will never happen, of course.

It looks as though she has taken advantage of her poor parents, so much so that her dad has left home. He says it is to earn money for her kids but who would want to BE in that house?

Maybe they will take the kids away.

If every child is a gift from God, why would He put some in such bad family situations?
Unless there is reincarnation, of course.

Sorry if my comments offend some.